I woke up this morning to find Kathi Kellenberger disagreeing with Andy Leonard’s blog on picking the pre/post conference speakers. I read through both, and found myself in the middle of the debate.
I sense from frustration from Andy, and I certainly have felt that way. A few years ago, three or four, there were very few pre or post conference sessions to attend. I had a friend speaking in one of them and as we had a few drinks after his long day, he mentioned he made five figures, in US dollars, for an 8 hour workday.
I was stunned, jealous, and a little annoyed that I hadn’t seen a call for those speakers. If I knew about it, I might have submitted something. Heck, I feel like I should submit something for basic SQL Server training, and see if I can draw an audience.
The last couple years at least, there have been a lot of pre/post con choices, and there have been a lot of speakers. I think PASS has realized this is a decent revenue stream and ought to promote it, so they’ve expanded the choices. Good for them, and good for us. People like the sessions, and after sitting in on a part of one, I have to say that I think it’s worth the $400 for a day of training. Just be sure you take notes, lots of them.
However the incentive (a big payday), and the demand from more people to speak, means that PASS can’t just cherry pick Kalen Delaney and Kimberly Tripp as speakers. They need to formalize the requirements, as Andy has called for, and I think the list of 9 requirements is a start. You need to meet 4 of them, and they look like they’re tailored to be sure that certain people meet requirements. They’re not that bad, though since I meet 4 exactly.
The Intent
These pre/post conference sessions are worth money. Both to speakers and PASS, and I think that the selection has to balance a few things. They have to pick speakers whose names are known. They have to pick topics that people will pay for. I probably meet one of those requirements (the former), though I can perhaps come up with something for the latter. Now will people pay for training from me? Who knows.
And I’m not sure the selection committee knows. They’re volunteers, and I’m hoping that they use some type of data from surveys or data from some source. However my guess is they take a WAG.
While I can’t say I think that the selection process has been fair, or that it will be fair in the future, I do this this is a good move. It’s a move towards transparency, and I think that’s good. In the past, I think all speakers have been selected with vague requirements, and often based the committee’s personal feelings towards people, or their attitude towards people.
That’s human. I can’t say that I wouldn’t be biased towards picking Andy Leonard or Andy Warren for slots. They’re friends, and that’s natural. I do think they’re smart, I’ve seen their writing, and heard them talk, so I think they ARE good choices, but I don’t have data to back things up.
It seems that PASS is slowly opening up, publishing requirements, and hopefully will continue to publish more information on *WHY* they made decisions on things. I don’t think we need to know who voted how on each speaker, but we ought to get some explanations on why people/sessions were or were not picked. I’d like to see all the pre/post submissions and comments from the committee picking them.
Actually I might be on that committee. I know I’m on one of them, and I’ll disclose what I can on the process this year. I’ve complained before, so this is my chance to step up and do something about it.
I think that PASS has been biased, and not necessarily serving everyone in the community in the past, but as they grow, it seems they are slowly starting to make changes and I think the publication of this criteria is a good step.
Voice of the DBA 
I have to take exception to one of your points. There is no "five figures for an eight-hour workday." Prepping to deliver in-depth content takes me an average of 12-15 hours PER HOUR of content. So that's five figures for, potentially, up to 128 hours of work. Which is an average hourly contract rate.
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I'm going to echo what Adam said. If you want to deliver a good session it's dozens and dozens of hours prepping material, delivering subsets of it, testing it, refining it, rewriting, etc.. All those hours culminate in delivering it at PASS or some similar venue.This isn't some magical get rich quick scheme for the lucky few. It's lots of unpaid prep time that *may* end up earning back that investment.
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True, absolutely true that it's more than 8 hours work. However that prep, that other work, is reused in other ways. It becomes stuff that these people often used in books, other talks, writing, etc.While it's definitely more than 8 hours, it's a heck of a payday, even for a couple hundred hours.
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Steve, I think you should try writing and presenting a full day's worth of deep material, then come back and tell us whether you still feel that it's a hell of a payday. I can almost certainly guarantee that you won't agree with your own words. It's a hell of a lot of work. Not only do you have all of the prep, etc, but standing there presenting for eight hours is amazingly taxing. I feel, after a full day of training, like I've put in two week's worth of work.I should also add that getting into 5 figures, at least with the current payment scheme, is nearly impossible for most speakers. You would need well over 100 attendees, and that doesn't happen very often these days since there are now more precons and overall conference attendance is down.Getting some payment is certainly nicer than getting nothing, but it doesn't even begin to fall into my "hell of a payday" category. Material reuse? Sure–I write blog posts and present at user groups, all for free, with the same material. So where's this big payday you keep talking about? Perhaps I'm doing it wrong 🙂
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I think I'd still disagree with you. Perhaps most people don't get 100 people, but this session was almost 100. No idea how many were in the other sessions.I have friends that are trainers, and no, I've never done 8 hours. I've done 4, but not 8. People do this on a daily basis, and I would guess for most people teaching classes, a high 4 figure payday would be amazing.
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Whatever, Steve. If it's such a great deal submit a session and I wish you the best of gas mileage in the Yugo you'll be able to afford with your earnings.
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